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hello and welcome to on the record

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one month ago we began a series of

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reports about ufos with the exception of

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a few cranky newspaper people

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the response has been overwhelmingly

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positive we've had requests for more

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information from all over the country

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and from all over the world

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tonight we're going to delve a little

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deeper into the subject with the man who

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was the impetus for our reports in the

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first place

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bob leslar bob good to have you here uh

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a thumbnail sketch of yourself for those

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who might not be familiar with

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with your background i worked at los

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alamos national labs

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uh as a physicist as a physicist and uh

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essentially hired as a senior staff

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physicist

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at uh area s4 essentially for what i was

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told anyway was uh

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united states navy where is s4 it's

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about uh

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10-15 miles south of groom lake about

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125 miles north of las vegas how'd you

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uh i really don't want to mention

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the guy who i got it through but i was

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referred uh

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to a person at egng to drop off my

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resume to that's where i was interviewed

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though the job is completely unrelated

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to uh eg g

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would they tell you you're going to be

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doing or did they tell you no they

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really didn't tell me until the very end

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it was uh

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they said a job of a high technology job

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something that i'd be very interested in

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okay so you get hired and uh what

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happens you fly up there

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fly up there first day was reading

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briefings and that sort of thing and uh

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it became evident to me pretty quickly

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the you know level of technology they

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were dealing with gravitational

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propulsion and uh

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you know things that science really has

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only barely touched on

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we'll get into the things that you saw

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in a couple of minutes but it's been

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about

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a little more than say three weeks since

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your identity was made public we had you

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on another program a couple of months

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ago but

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using an assumed name and had it had you

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in silhouette but

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since since your identity has been made

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public and since this information has

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been made public

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what's it been like what's been the

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response from people who see on the

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street

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well the response has been almost all

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favorable in fact everyone that i've run

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into has been

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very supportive very interested

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but i i guess they're just two or three

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from people who don't believe yet yeah

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essentially

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uh responses from other media outlets as

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yeah yeah that too and uh they want

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interviews what do they want

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essentially everything yeah radio

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interviews tv interviews a lot of people

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want to you know dig back into my

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background and

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retrace everything you know the list is

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endless many of many of the people

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who have been calling calling us as well

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are under the impression that

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that either you've gone underground or

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you've been silenced or uh that we've

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been silenced by

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dark sinister forces any anything like

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that happened to you so that's

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ridiculous

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people are always going over the deep

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end on that and uh you know

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no one's told me other than originally

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not to say anything and i'm sure no

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one's uh

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come forward to you and but in the

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beginning they told you to keep quiet

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about this

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oh yeah it's the most secret program in

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the united states

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in what way did they try to to make sure

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that you kept your mouth shut

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uh everything up to death threats i mean

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constant reminders of it

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signing away my constitutional rights uh

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for

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and since since this thing has uh your

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your phone's been tapped you believe

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yeah i believe i have a well i have a

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tap detector and uh

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just occasionally after i pick up the

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phone you know a little red light goes

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on

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is it related to the fact that they were

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bothering you yeah it was essentially to

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stop that

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and uh what had happened was i sent in a

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request for my birth certificate

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and it as it turned out it wasn't there

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anymore they said i wasn't born at the

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hospital and that kind of got me

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wondering what's going on so i put in a

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request for some other information

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previous jobs and you know that was also

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gone and

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i thought something had to be done

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before i disappeared but

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the same thing los alamos they've never

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heard of you yeah

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um anything happened since since the

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reports have

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aired uh they let me know that they're

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around by doing stupid childish little

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things but uh

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nothing serious no you were worried

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about your life though for a while there

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weren't you

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yeah that was uh one of the reasons to

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come on and you know

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let everything out on the air it's a

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level of insurance

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you're worried anymore i mean you got

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the feeling that you're over the hump

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to some degree yeah you find that most

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people really believe you or they're

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just they just want more information

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i think a lot of people believe what i

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said and uh

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but the majority i think do just want

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more information too it's a

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you know in-depth subject and you really

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have to look at everything well let's

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look at some of the technology you saw

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now when did you first get the idea

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what's the first thing you saw that

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that made you convinced that it's not

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from here

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uh the first thing with hands-on

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experience was the antimatter reactor

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and explain what that is and how it

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works what it does

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it's a plate about 18 inches

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in diameter with a sphere on top and

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then we have some tape of it a tape of a

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model that a friend of yours made if we

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want to roll that you can

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okay inside that tower is a

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a chip of element 115 they just put in

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there that's a super heavy element

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the lid goes on top and as far as any

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of the workings of it i i really don't

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bottom of it the

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115 sets up a gravitational field around

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the top that little

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wave guide you saw being put on the top

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that essentially siphons off

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the gravity wave and that's later

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lower portion of the crafts but just in

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the whole technology is is virtually

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unknown now we saw the model we saw the

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pictures of it there looks

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really really simple almost too simple

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to actually do anything right

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working parts uh and undetectable

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essentially what the job was was to back

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engineer

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everything where you have a finished

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product and just to step backwards and

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find out

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how it was made or how it can be made

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with earthly materials

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there hasn't been very much progress how

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long do you think they've had this

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technology up there

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it seemed like quite a while but i

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really don't know now what could you do

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with an anti-matter generator

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what does it do well it

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it converts it converts antimatter

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doesn't convert any matter there's an

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annihilation reaction

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it's an extremely powerful reaction 100

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conversion of matter to energy

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unlike a fission or fusion reaction

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which is somewhere around

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eight tenths of one percent confusion uh

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conversion of matter to energy i mean

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how does it work what starts the

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reaction going in that thing

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uh really once the 115 is put in

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the reaction is initiated just automatic

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right i'll understand i mean there's no

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button to push or anything no there's no

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there's no button to push or anything it

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the 115 under bombardment with protons

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lets out in any matter particle this

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will react with any matter whatsoever

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which i imagine there is some target

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to electrical generator in there

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now how does this how's this anti-matter

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reactor how is this connected to a

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gravity generation that you talked about

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earlier well that reactor serves two

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purposes it provides

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a tremendous amount of electrical power

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which is almost a byproduct the

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through some action of the 115 which

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uh the exact action i don't think anyone

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is anyone really knows uh

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the waveguide siphons off that that

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gravity wave and that's channeled

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above the top of the disc to the lower

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part where there are three gravity

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amplifiers which amplify and direct that

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in essence creating their own

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gravitational field their own

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gravitational field

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you're fairly convinced that science on

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earth doesn't have this technology right

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now well

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we have it now i guess and that's for

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but we didn't create it

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right why not why couldn't we

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the technology is not even we don't even

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know what gravity is i mean there's

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there's just uh well what is it what you

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learned what did you learn about

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what gravity is well gravity is a wave

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uh there are many different theories

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wave included uh there's it's been

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gravity is also particles gravitons uh

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which is also incorrect but gravity is a

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off of an element

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why why that is i'm not exactly sure

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and so you can produce your own gravity

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what does that mean what what does that

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allow you to do

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anything uh

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gravity distorts time and space

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different mode of travel

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where instead of traveling in a linear

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method going from point a to b

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now you can distort time and space to

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where you essentially bring

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the mountain to mohammed you almost

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bring your destination to you without

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moving

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and since you're distorting time all

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this takes place in between moments of

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time

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it's a such a far-fetched concept

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but uh we're gonna get into it a little

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bit more we're gonna take a short break

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stay with us for more

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on the record

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welcome back to on the record we're

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talking with bob lazar about flying

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discs alien technology and other matters

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uh now

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of course what the ufo skeptics say is

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uh yeah there's life out there elsewhere

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in the universe it could never come here

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it's just too darn far

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with the kind of technology you're

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talking about it makes

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such considerations irrelevant about

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distance and time and things like that

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exactly because when when you are

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distorting time

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there's no longer a normal reference of

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time

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and that's what producing your own

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gravity does you can go forward or

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backward in time is that what you're

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saying no not essentially

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it's uh it'd be easier with a model on

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the bottom side of the disc

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of the three gravity generators when

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they want to travel to a distant point

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the disc turns on its side the three

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gravity generators produce a

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gravitational beam

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what they do is they converge the three

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gravity generators onto a point

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and use that as a focal point then they

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essentially bring them up to power

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and pull that point towards the disc the

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disc itself will attach onto that point

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and snap back

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as they release space back to that point

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now all this happens

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in the distortion of time so time is not

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incrementing so the speed is essentially

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infinite uh we'll get into the discs in

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a moment but the first time you saw the

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anti-matter reactor

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in operation or demonstration you had a

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couple of demonstrations tell me about

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that

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uh the first time i saw it in operation

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they just put

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my friend i worked with barry

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put the fuel in the reactor put the lid

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on as was shown there

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immediately a gravitational field

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developed and he said feel it and it

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felt like

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you bring two light poles of a magnet

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together except you can do that with

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your hand and it was fascinating because

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that's impossible

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except uh you know on something with

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great mass and obviously this is just

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us and it was a a repulsion field in

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fact we kind of filled around with it

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for a little while we threw golf balls

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off it and

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and uh it was just a really unique thing

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and you had they had some other sort of

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demonstrations to show you that this is

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pretty wild stuff right

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yeah they did they were able to channel

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the field off in a demonstration booth

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they uh

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created an intense gravitational area

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and you began to see a small little

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black disc form and that was the bending

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of the light

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just like a black hole floating around

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you know uh black holes of

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bad analogy but yeah essentially um and

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time they gave you some kind of

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demonstration about time involving a

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candle explain how that worked

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yeah they took a candle and lit it and

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uh

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put it in the distorted gravitational

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field which distorts time

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and the candle just stood there it

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didn't melt or burn it was uh

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i mean it was it was really unbelievable

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you had to be

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floored by seeing all this i was i mean

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that's why i'm kind of laughing about it

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now because it must sound ridiculous to

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everyone but uh

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it's it's just phenomenal i mean this is

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really alien technology

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about the 115 we talked a little bit

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about it in a series of reports explain

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what it is

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again and why you believe it could not

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be manufactured here

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okay it's a super heavy element meaning

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that

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on the periodic chart which lists all

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the elements found on earth and that can

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be synthesized it's

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uh i think the highest element we've

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synthesized has been about

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element 106. now from 103

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or actually anything higher than

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plutonium up the half-life begins to

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drop in other words the element

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disintegrates when you get up to element

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106

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it's only around for a very small amount

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even science today theorizes that

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up around element 113 to 116 somewhere

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in there

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they should again become stable this is

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in fact true

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that's what element 115 is it's a stable

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element

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to synthesize it would be impossible

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the way we synthesize heavy elements is

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we take

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a stable element like bismuth or

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something like that or

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plutonium whatever put it in an

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accelerator and bombard it

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with protons essentially what you're

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trying to do is plug in protons into the

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atoms and

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increase the atomic number uh to do that

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to the level of element 115 would just

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take an infinite amount of power in an

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infinite amount of time

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what kinds of things what capabilities

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would a heavy element like this have i

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mean other than producing power

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obviously it can produce a lot of power

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right well

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it in itself is not any matter

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it just has a unique property of

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producing it

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uh any of the other basic properties

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that has them i really don't know of but

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uh using just the any matter producing

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property

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uh you're in the potential for a weapon

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is staggering

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is absolutely staggering like like what

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i mean

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a pound of it what could it do well

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2.2 pounds is uh the energy equivalent

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of 47

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10 megaton hydrogen bombs i mean it's a

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good bang and a pound of a super heavy

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element is

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you know maybe the size of a a plum or

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something like that

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i guess what i've heard most from the

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people who just don't buy the whole

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story

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is that uh sure maybe you worked at an

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area called s4 and maybe that it is a

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secret

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area but uh what you were shown is stuff

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that we've made

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that we made this 115 if it is 115 that

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we made the flying discs that we made

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these animator reactors

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because these are advances that you just

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don't know about hardly

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why not uh

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it well the 115 it's impossible i mean

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that that's and the fact that the main

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job of everyone there is to find out how

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everything's made i mean that just

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contradicts everything right off the bat

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the materials are completely alien to us

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and just the overall

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idea of the project is hey can we

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duplicate this with the materials that

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we have here

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so obviously it was something that was

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found or given

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for that matter and uh we're just trying

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to duplicate it

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well 115 where do you suppose it came

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from then i mean what where

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what kind of an environment would that

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kind of the only place

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uh the only place that 115

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could be made would have to be in a

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natural situation somewhere

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maybe on the fringes of a supernova or

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somewhere around maybe a binary star

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system

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where there was more mass

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in the primordial mix of that of that

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system

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where heavier elements would have had a

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chance to form when the stars were

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collapsing and there were huge amounts

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of energy being

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uh you know released

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something along those lines it has to be

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a naturally occurring element

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all right you saw antimatter reactors

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you saw gravity propulsion systems

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in flying disks flying saucers you saw

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this element 115

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you also read a series of reports that

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had other stunning information

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can you give an overview of the kinds of

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things that were in these reports

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the reason i didn't do that before was

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first of all they were just reports

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everything else i had hands-on

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experience with

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now there's lots of strange information

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in the reports but

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there again is just printed material and

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it could be disinformation i don't know

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but certainly

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the information i did read the reports

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about the 115 the disagreement i mean

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that

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uh the reports went into uh

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aliens and even even went along the

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lines of religious

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background we should let our audience

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know i mean we discussed this when we

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were putting the the series of reports

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together

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whether to get into the alien thing or

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not and we decided not to for the time

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being

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it's not like you're hiding something

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from the audience or whatever was

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just a decision we made but you did see

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uh reports whether they're true or not

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government reports about aliens what

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were in the reports

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they had well or photographs of aliens

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or autopsy reports

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uh there was really a wealth of

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information

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but there was as far as what what do

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they look like

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the typical gray uh i hate to say that

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like anyone knows what a typical gray is

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it's a

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half to four feet tall

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uh a large hairless head

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black slanted eyes long arms

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very thin looking uh

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i don't know how else i would describe

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it what does an autopsy report look like

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with what's included in the autopsy

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report that you said you read the reason

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i call it an autopsy report is i saw

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that

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carcass was obviously a dead alien the

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carcass cut up and

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it was all dark inside like

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an iron base the reason i say iron is

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because it was a

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very dark blood or whatever so i'm not a

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doctor but

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it seemed to be one large organ in the

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body as opposed to

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you know identifiable heart and lungs

571
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and that sort of thing but just one

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one gooey mess in there what did what

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did the report say i mean it had

574
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pictures i had to have some words uh

575
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,200
here's exhibit a and alien essentially

576
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,960
so they had weights and densities of the

577
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:26,559
organs that there were no conclusions

578
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,039
drawn

579
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,960
but just uh it was just a basic

580
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:31,039
description of what the person who was

581
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:32,000
cutting opening

582
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:34,000
or cutting open the body saw say where

583
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,679
they came from

584
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,520
yeah in one of the reports it said they

585
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:39,440
came from reticulum four

586
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:43,200
was what it said where is that any idea

587
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:46,320
well i'm told it's a

588
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,520
star system and zeta reticuli reticulum

589
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:51,039
is the constellation

590
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,840
uh and by reticulum four they meant the

591
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,280
fourth planet out

592
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:57,600
from that sun in the same reports we

593
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:59,600
were identified instead of saying earth

594
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,679
we were identified as soul three

595
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:03,200
meaning the third planet out from our

596
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,240
sun so now you've read a lot of ufo

597
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,480
material do you find yourself mixing

598
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,240
what you've read and what you

599
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,320
you learned from up there no that's why

600
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:14,240
i stay away from

601
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:15,919
the offal researchers and things like

602
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that i really don't want to be

603
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:18,159
associated with that i don't

604
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,760
research the stuff it's it's interesting

605
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:22,080
to read but uh no i'm not mixing

606
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:22,720
anything

607
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:24,480
that i've read and you know in this

608
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:25,600
stuff we're going to get into that a

609
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,640
little bit more we're going to take a

610
00:20:34,030 --> 00:20:28,000
short break stay with us for more

611
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on the record

612
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[Music]

613
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welcome back we have a few minutes left

614
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with bob lazar we were just talking

615
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,720
about the ufo field in general and you

616
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:42,640
feel a little reluctance to get mixed up

617
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,120
in it

618
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:45,280
although you are right now unfortunately

619
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,200
yeah i mean why is why the reluctance

620
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,159
uh i don't know there are many stories

621
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:54,000
circulating around everyone has their

622
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:54,640
own view

623
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:57,600
each ufo researcher says they have the

624
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,549
uh

625
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,480
essentially i don't want to side with

626
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,320
anyone because uh you know i don't know

627
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,159
where that information's come from

628
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,880
uh though they do all have the basic

629
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:11,600
story

630
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,480
is uh you know there are alien crafts

631
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:16,480
here

632
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,720
different factions of them

633
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:30,240
and they all kind of war between each

634
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:31,520
other i i really don't want to get

635
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,559
associated with them

636
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,960
before you got into the the program at

637
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,480
s4 though you had an interest

638
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,760
in ufos i mean it it must be hard for

639
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:41,360
people to swallow that here's a guy who

640
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,880
has an interest in it and he gets hired

641
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:44,320
into the program

642
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:47,520
well it was a very brief time there uh

643
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,799
i had sent out resumes to several

644
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:53,039
places because i wanted to get back into

645
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:53,919
the

646
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,960
scientific field again almost

647
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,440
simultaneously i met john lear

648
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:02,159
and read some of his material and

649
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,600
initially i thought he was just

650
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,039
absolutely crazy

651
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:07,200
but apparently he did have a good source

652
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,480
of information because

653
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,320
as it turns out some of the information

654
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,400
that he had i actually had hands-on

655
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,000
experience with uh

656
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,000
but your regard for ufos in general i

657
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,000
mean as a scientist did you think there

658
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,919
was something to it or absolutely not

659
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,840
absolutely nothing no i would have stood

660
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,520
on that until the day i died

661
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:25,520
that was bunk many of the people who

662
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,400
have been calling or ufo groups or ufo

663
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,600
researchers who

664
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,120
have demanded that you talk to them

665
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,960
we've got to talk to this guy

666
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,120
we want to give him a lot more publicity

667
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,960
so he stays alive

668
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,640
we want him to give us information so

669
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,000
that we can further check out his

670
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,520
background etc

671
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,360
uh we want a protecting we want to help

672
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,960
him you've resisted

673
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,880
i mean you've done this program you've

674
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,960
done a couple of reports with us and

675
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,640
you've done a radio show or two

676
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,400
but in general you've resisted going

677
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,240
into the ufo circuit uh

678
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:57,200
why is that well just like i mentioned

679
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,480
before i just don't want to be

680
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,559
associated with those guys uh

681
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,159
and how many people are you gonna open

682
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:03,919
up your background to and let them you

683
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,320
know

684
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,000
run rampant through it i mean private

685
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,559
detectives every ufo group in the world

686
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,559
wants to do that the idea was for me to

687
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,000
release the information

688
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,919
essentially to protect myself and take

689
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,200
some of the heat off

690
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,240
and i've done that and you know that's

691
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,159
all that that needs to be done really

692
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,559
a certain certain ufo researchers claim

693
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,919
they've been getting information from

694
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,280
you all along you've been

695
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:27,120
leaking stuff to them and that they've

696
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,480
read these reports that

697
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:30,000
verify the information you've been

698
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:31,520
working with ufo groups

699
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:37,430
not ufo groups i did mention a couple

700
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,480
things to some people

701
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:43,200
that's all i'm gonna say okay in essence

702
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,760
uh

703
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,840
were you breaking your your vows that

704
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,440
you know that you made to the government

705
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:49,679
yeah and why why did you feel that was

706
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:50,480
necessary

707
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,679
i mean you took an oath didn't you yeah

708
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,440
but look at the magnitude of what was

709
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:57,520
going on i believe that some of the

710
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:58,880
technology

711
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,159
kept secret

712
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,000
until we have a handle on everything but

713
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,200
certainly the overview of what happened

714
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:10,000
just cannot be a secret from from anyone

715
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:11,279
not just the american people but the

716
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,320
rest of the world

717
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:14,799
let out the basic fact that we have

718
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:15,760
these crafts

719
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:19,919
at one time uh aliens did at least visit

720
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,679
and drop off something however they got

721
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,919
here uh that there was some contact made

722
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,279
and then cut it short you don't need to

723
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,799
release information on the gravity

724
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:28,559
generators the weapon potential was

725
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,919
which is enormous and

726
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,840
and so on what could you do with that we

727
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,279
got about a minute left what could you

728
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,039
do with that technology of say

729
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,480
you took the flying discs the

730
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,799
anti-matter reactors the gravity

731
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,080
generators gave it to los

732
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,960
alamos or livermore let them examine

733
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,000
this stuff i mean how

734
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:45,760
how would it affect life on earth if

735
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,039
this stuff was widely available

736
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,870
that's tough to say i mean you have a

737
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:55,600
different

738
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,440
what happens when you can play with time

739
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,880
uh that gets into a

740
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,679
a really deep philosophical you know

741
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:07,200
question there but i mean we could it

742
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,480
would change

743
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,159
a lot of stuff change everyone yeah it

744
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,080
would change absolutely everything

745
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,880
you think it'll ever come out personally

746
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,760
no

747
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:17,279
what do you hope happens both to

748
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:20,640
yourself and with this information

749
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,240
uh that there's been enough thorns put

750
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,320
in their toes to where

751
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,640
they do try and release something we'll